Over Sensitive

I have a dilemma! And its probably going to seem completelyover the top to some of you, but forgive me, I’m a very sensitive soul and I often feel moved to action my my own conscience and convictions. So here’s the problem.

My RE clearly does not realize the kind of sensitive person that I am, he told me something I was probably better off not knowing, its opened up a can of worms so to speak, one I’m not really sure how to deal with and I’ve made the situation far worse for myself than it needed to be.

You see, when we met with him a while back to discuss the way forward, he told me there were two medication options for the stimming protocol of my upcoming IVF. The first option he felt was not going to be the best for me specifically (he did give the reason why, but for the life of me I can’t remember what it was) which would have been the use of Menopur, where he told me the main ingredient was Gonadotrophin extracted and purified from the urine of Menopausal women.  He felt that a combination of Luveris and Gonal Fwould be best for me especially because I”ve had good results from it before. He also mentioned that the main ingredient in Gonal F is Follitropin Alpha and that is is extracted from the Eggs of genetically engineered Chinese Hamsters.  Of course, being an avid Beauty Without Cruelty and PETAsupporter, I’m now feeling extremely conflicted about this. Of course, W has not helped either by stating that he thinks its highly unlikely that the Hamsters are humanely treated during this process. I know I’m probably sounding completely ridiculous, but this really bothers me. I hate any kind of cruelty, whether it be to humans or to animals.

The problem is, because of my over sensitivity to this topic, I’m not sure what to do next. You see, ignorance is bliss. I wish I could go back to being ignorant about it because then it wouldn’t bother my conscience the way it does. I know we don’t live in a perfect world and I know there is a lot of cruelty and things that go on that I’m probably better off not knowing about. But the thing is my over sensitivity to this topic has brought out some extreme behaviour on my part in the past for example:

After seeing a documentary on TV regarding the cruel way chickens were treated for Kentucky, I’ve completely boycotted their products for 5 years now. I have not knowingly allowed a single thing that has come from KFC to pass my lips, not a cool drink, not a chip, not mash, nothing. I also made the decision then and there to only eat Free Range Poultry products as their treatment is far kinder, subsequently, we have switched to all Free Range shopping. I’m also a strong believer in Beauty Without Cruelty and all my hair, body and face products are chosen because the companies who manufacture them are against animal testing. Again, I want to state that I know my stand on these issues probably makes very little difference, but for me personally, for my conscience, it makes me feel better to know that at least in my mind, as far as possible, I’m trying to shop in a most conscience, cruelty free manner.

So now the question is, do I tell my RE I want to switch to the Menopur protocol rather and risk having a lower egg harvest or do I go to battle with my conscience and try and pretend I haven’t been given that information.

Ignorance is bliss but knowledge is power, but this I wish I didn’t know.

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  • Reply dee

    Wow, I actually never knew that! Shame man. Im also a huge Beauty without Cruelty fan, if it doesnt say it wasnt tested on animals then I dont use it. To be totally honest – I have done both protocols (Menopur vs Gonal) and it gave the exact same results, nothing changed at all. For my next IVF I am on Menopur again merely because I got my BFP on Menopur and Gonal is a tad more expensive. Its up to you but now that you have said this I dont think I will ever use Gonal again. I actually have some left which I was hoping to sell to someone.

    December 8, 2008 at 10:10 am
  • Reply Mands

    Hi Shaz, I think you need to go with what you are comfortable with. So be honest with yor RE and tell him what you think. I commend your stance, not many people care.

    December 8, 2008 at 10:47 am
  • Reply Abbey

    Hi Shaz,

    I never knew that! That’s terrible, poor little hamsters :0( Menopur gave me very bad results personally but only in respects of my lining, not my egg production. I think talk to your Doc and voice your personal view on using Gonal. The extra stress you’d have from constantly worrying about those poor hamsters will probably do more harm than anything. I’ll have to make the decision myself one day if we ever do IVF again now that I know this. Scary stuff. I wonder what else I dont know about all these drugs that my doc has never told me?! Here I was thinking I knew it all……

    Good Luck with the decision! Let us know your decision and what the Doc says about it.

    X Abbey

    December 8, 2008 at 10:58 am
  • Reply Sandy

    Hi Shaz,

    What an interesting and awful dilemma for you. I had a similar one when we were trying to decide whether to do IVF or not. I’m registered as a potential bone marrow donor but one of the no-nos is using HCG. I had just gone the extra step since I was an almost match and am now completely typed for bone marrow which gives me a greater chance of matching and being called on than others. So I wrestled with whether I wanted to do HCG or not given that there was a chance I could save someone else’s life if I didn’t.

    Ultimately I wasn’t sure the IVF would work and we didn’t go down that road because I didn’t have any hope back then. But the moral decision played a big part in that as well. Now it turns out that I mayb have been misinformed and that HCG may be ok for fertility treatments and doesn’t preclude bone marrow donation (though it still depends on who you talk to), but I don’t regret the decision at the time. I still haven’t been called for as a match, either, but I can think of no greater gift that I can offer a stranger and want to keep that door open.

    I agree with previous, the stress of going against your morals would counteract any benefit to using the possibly more appropriate drugs.

    Just one more thing to deal with, eh?

    Good luck with your decision.


    December 8, 2008 at 5:02 pm
  • Reply Lea White

    I wouldn’t know what to do!

    I guess in a way (if you want to look at it this way) W is guessing that there is a likelihood that there is some cruelty going on and it isn’t really as if he was there witnessing it. So it hasn’t been stated as a fact.

    But I do see why you feel the way you feel. I can’t handle the concept of cruelty either. And as you said “ignorance is bliss”, that’s how I like it too!

    Good luck with your decision! And remember, you can only make the best decisions with the information you have at the time. You can’t provide for everything out there.

    December 8, 2008 at 7:58 pm
  • Reply Misty

    Wow, thanks Shaz!? I would rather not know that either! You know what, go with your gut. You have to live with the decision, not Dr G. So do what your heart tells you.
    PS. And tell him not to give any more details!

    December 8, 2008 at 9:24 pm
  • Reply samcy

    *sigh* Ignorance is bliss. I would also chat to Dr G about it and see what he says.

    Good luck with this decision!


    December 9, 2008 at 11:52 am
  • Reply monica lemoine

    Wow – that’s a really fascinating post. Who knew. I agree with Misty on this one – go with your gut. She’s right – you are the one who ultimately will be “living” with your decision. And hey dude – – gimme a password so I can read password protected! Dying to read it!

    December 9, 2008 at 7:18 pm
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